E-ODIN - Diskussionsthread

[dominik]

Der Fardriver ND72680 sieht auch nicht anders aus, nur der Aufkleber verrät das mehr an Leistung

[Miguello80]

das müsste doch der hier sein?!
https://madatshop.com/e-motorr%C3%A4der ... rsatzteile

Hi, thank you, I know this shop, I bought there "new automatic" signal turn switch, finaly delivered, but not good communication to be honest.
Jeff is right, some of their prices are not ok.
I wanted to think environmental and buy from nearest place instead of long traffic from Portugal. Shame on me

[Miguello80]

Die Bilder auf der madat-Seite sehen aber aus wie ein normaler 72V150A Controller (ausgelegt auf 120A Dauerstrom), wie er in der "normalen" 6kW Version werkelt.

As far as I know, E-Odins with QS Motor had ND72330 (150/330). My (for AMR motor) is 120/400 (130 in app). This one in Madatshop seems to be 150/400 for 10kW E-Odin 3.0. I would buy it but not for that price.
I am affraid that my AMR motor has encoder (in app I have "AngleDetect:3-Encoder8192") instead of hall sensor. One seller on Ali confirmed that they do not have any fardriver for encoder so there is a difference and I can not use normal 72530 But I am waiting for answer from fardriver.com and far-drive.com + Leo from Dayi, he asked for VIN number.

[Zimmermännche]

@jeff jordan: Natürlich habe ich den extremen Preisunterschied gesehen, bin darauf aber nicht eingegangen da Miguello ja gefragt hat ob er irgendwo anders lieferbar ist als in seinem gezeigten Shop.
Außerdem hat Miguello doch eine 6 kW Version soweit ich mich erinnere.

@Miguello: Die Odin 3.0 hat ja keinen Fardriver Controller oder ähnlich verbaut, deswegen kann bisher auch keiner was an den Einstellungen ändern bzw. kommunizieren.
Meine Odin 3.0 hat einen Controller mit der Bezeichnung DY72V220A. Marke ist nicht bekannt.
Der Akku hat die Bezeichnung DY72V/120Ah-J300A.

Bei meiner 10 kw Version, welche ja auch einen AMR Motor haben soll, war laut Madatshop der Sensor im Motor defekt, weswegen sie dann den Motor getauscht haben. (Ich gehe mal davon aus, dass dies dann der Hallsensor war?!)

[jeff-jordan]

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As far as I know, E-Odins with QS Motor had ND72330 (150/330). My (for AMR motor) is 120/400 (130 in app).
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Yes, my 6kW E-Odin, with Fardriver/Nanjing Controller and (likely) QS Motor allows settings up to 150A (line current) and 330A (phase current) through the app.
But it only supports hall-sensors, as far as I know.
Higher line currents won't make any sense with my 100Ah battery, because it's bms limits the current to 150A max.

[Diego666]

Ich würde gern nochmal auf das Thema Auswuchten zurückkommen.
@Davidst
Du hast geschrieben dass du ggf. In Bremerhaven die Möglichkeit hast das am Fahrzeug zu erledigen.
Leider kann ich dich als Newbie nicht direkt anschreiben.
Meld dich doch bitte mal bei mir, ob und wann ich mit meinem Odin mal zu Besuch kommen kann
Grüße
Oliver

[Miguello80]

Bei meiner 10 kw Version, welche ja auch einen AMR Motor haben soll, war laut Madatshop der Sensor im Motor defekt, weswegen sie dann den Motor getauscht haben. (Ich gehe mal davon aus, dass dies dann der Hallsensor war?!)

I am affraid that AMR motor does not have hall sensor but encoder 8192 (check the first value "AngleDettect" in controller settings, I do not have there "0-120°Hall" like others, but "3-Encoder8192" and I could not changed it) and Ali sellers in fardriver controllers descriptions say "It’s hall version (as default) which suit with hall motors. It could also support encoders, please check with sales." I hope they does but I rather asked Siaecosys (part of QS, also a big fardriver seller) and they wrote me only "If your motor not use hall communication, but encoder, for our advise, it is better to send the motor to fardriver to do the matching." Another Aliexpress seller, GreenDun, answered that they do not have encoder versions so there is a difference.
I know that for QS165 are "special" fardrivers with "B" in the name but I hope that any other fardriver works with my motor...
I sent e-mails also to fardriver.com and far-driver.com and Yu Leo, did not get answer yet. I just want to be prepared if my only option is the same controller and buy it as soon as possible to be able to ride again
Luckily member DavidSt will help me and send me his old 72330 for a test. If it will work, then I will order 72530 or 72680. If not, I will buy original controller = no more power, but at least it will ride again...
On the other hand it seems that AMR motors are reliable and does not need to be repaired because there is no info about them on forums and Youtube
Well, my next Youtube video will be very interesting

[Miguello80]

Ich würde gern nochmal auf das Thema Auswuchten zurückkommen.
@Davidst
Du hast geschrieben dass du ggf. In Bremerhaven die Möglichkeit hast das am Fahrzeug zu erledigen.
Leider kann ich dich als Newbie nicht direkt anschreiben.
Meld dich doch bitte mal bei mir, ob und wann ich mit meinem Odin mal zu Besuch kommen kann
Grüße
Oliver

Hi, you can contact him in his Facebook group "E Motorrad Nutzer E Odin/venaxio v6000/CITYTWISTER 7.0" - https://www.facebook.com/groups/3329180077335146

[Miguello80]

Yes, my 6kW E-Odin, with Fardriver/Nanjing Controller and (likely) QS Motor allows settings up to 150A (line current) and 330A (phase current) through the app.
But it only supports hall-sensors, as far as I know.

I just wanted to point out the development (especially for new members).

I Googled a lot and as far as I know hall sensor works with 120°= sends 3 impulses/informations to controller per motor rotation while encoder 8192 works differently:
"Absolute encoders output an absolute angular position between 0° and 360°. They operate on the same scanning principle as incremental encoders, but have a greater number of tracks. For example, if there are 13 tracks, then 213 = 8192 steps are coded in the case of single-turn encoders. The code used is a one-step code (gray code). This prevents any scanning errors from occurring. After switching on the machine, the position value is transferred immediately to the controller, travel to a reference point is not necessary.
All absolute encoders are available in single-turn and multi-turn versions.
Single-turn encoders divide one rotation (360 degrees mechanical) into a specific number of steps, e.g. 8192. A unique code word is assigned to each position. After 360° the position values are repeated.
Multi-turn encoders record the number of revolutions in addition to the absolute position within one revolution. To do this, further code discs which are coupled via gear steps with the encoder shaft are scanned. When evaluating 12 additional tracks, this means that an additional 212 = 4096 revolutions can be coded."
So controller has to be able to process a lot more informations from encoder that from hall sensor. I still hope that I will find out that all (new) fardrivers can work with AMR motor so there will be a way to more power. Those stock (original) controllers does not allow to use all potential of motor.

What I do not know is this: 150A BMS restriction, ok, line current max 150A, ok, but will there be any difference if (with 72530/72680) my phase current max will change from 400A to for example 530/680A ? I am not familiar with transformators etc. so it is not clear for me wheather controller will be able to "make" more A from 150A from battery. And second question: does phase current means how much A is in every phase cable or there is 1/3 in each one ?

I know I am digging too deep but I do not want only to ride, I want to understand

[dominik]

Phase current is per phase wire.
With more phase current you get more starting tourqe from a standstill.
During the start the phase voltage is very low, you need high current to get power.
At around 35km/h you will than reach the max battery current and the phase current level will be the same as with the old controller if you can not draw more current from your battery.